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Calculate a Transistor frequency Response with datasheet

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Hello i want to design a collpits oscillator circuit with transistor at 100Mhz frequency.i design and config a circuit but it doesn't work more than 3mhz(when i change capacitor in collpits baias).i think it is related to the transistor frequency response.
could you tell me
1-how can chose a transistor for a desire frequency(Ft , ....)?(for small signal)
2-how can calculate the transistor frequency response with the datasheet? without doing experimental work and using a simulation software
3-what is the best book in S , Y parameters design and theory?(i read Rf Circuit design by bowick)

Thanks

current gain * BW product = fT is one factor but loop gain must be >1 to oscillate.

http://www.ekswai.com/en_cap3.htm

Thanks so much SunnySkyguy
could you tell me more about the calculation of a self collpits oscillator with transistor?i know the Avmid but i want to calculate Cb and Ce according this scheme.

Excuse me SunnySkyguy
but i search in the internet and my books i found that Gain–bandwidth product that show the relationship between gain and bandwidth.could you tell me your reference that say
Current Gain or Voltage gain?

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i found this
if means if i use a emitter common bias for a collpits oscillator at 100MHZ i should use a transistor(for example hfe=250) with ft=100MHZ*250=25 Ghz?

Please help me....

Cb abd Ce are simple HP filters that AC couple the RF signal with low inductance.

Of course BJT's use current gain, FETS use Voltage gain., Op Amps use Voltage Gain.

Thanks SunnySkyguy
according your explanation if i use emitter-common that Current gain=100 and for oscillate my circuit in 100Mhz i shoud use transistor with ft 10Ghz?!

Yes

It means if a transistor has 300MHz fT and you are running it at 100Mhz, your ss gain will be only 3 max.

Thanks
could you tell me what is "ss gain"?

in some common emitter how can we control current gain?because its near Hfe constant?
and i see that most fm mixer use a transistor with ft=300 but with voltage gain 10 works fine?how?

Dear baby_1
Hi
As you probably know , the frequency response of CE amplifier isn't good . so , at high frequencies , it will create some problems . if you want design high frequency oscillator try CB amplifier , which is good for this aim . a usual mode for this oscillator is a feed back loop from emitter to collector via a capacitor . and a tank circuit in collector .
By the way : there are many rules for oscillator design approaching ! it is possible to design HF oscillators with simpler formulas and approximations .
Best Wishes
Goldsmith

Thanks Goldsmith
yes,CB and CC has more frequency response.but now i want to know the calculation of them but one by one.now im working on CE and theory.could help me on this that what is exactly do for designing a simple colpitts oscillator with transistor in CE mode?

i want to create a colpitts with 100Mhz frequency with 2n3904 or C945 transistor and LC tank.

Any help appreciated

baby.. 2n3904 has fT of 300MHz & C945 has 150MHz min fT

Is that enough? No

I think this CMOS device has gain of 1000@ 100MHz http://www.fairchildsemi.com/ds/NC/NC7SZ04.pdf. Try that @ 5V then see what is the minimum operating point as fT drops with Vdd.

But If I needed a 100MHz clock, I might consider this instead. http://www.onsemi.com/pub_link/Collateral/NBXSBA010.PDF

Thanks SunnySkyguy for your response.
i checked most of FM transmitter circuit.you are right both of them they use CB.
could you tell me the designing of collpits oscillator 100MHZ with 2n3904?

You can make a sine wave osc @100Mhz if you have a Q of 10 and overall loop gain > 1 with hFE of 3 at 100Mhz from fT of 200MHz, but due to device variable capacitance unless you are using high Q Xtal, it will be unstable. so I advise against that for tolerance issues.

Maybe you want to make illegal FM transmitter on 100MHz with simple VCO and varicap diode? for learning experience...

Yes according your explanation im working for learning experience
could you suggest books in this filed? i want to read more to know more
any help appreciated

http://bit.ly/IjwiwQ This Google book has a 100MHz colpitts osc with 2N3904

You can find almost anything you want on the web... unless you are in Iran after this summer...

Well , lets talk about design rules :
But before that : the point between c1 and c2 ( common point , should be connected to the ground , directly ).
And about value of C1 and C2 , as you probably , know , one of the oscillation laws , is , Av*beta , should be about 1 ( you'd better to set it greater than one ) . and beta is the ratio of C2/C1 and AV is C1/C2 . let me , give you an example : you have Av without feedback that is around 5nf ( for example ) . so C2/C1 should be about 1/5 nf . ( in practice , a bit greater than this .) .and Fr=1/2pi*sqrt(LC) C=C1+C2 .
And about CE amplifier design , i think you know how to design a simple CE amplifier . isn't it?
Best Wishes
Goldsmith

This comes from the book I showed previously.

Hello and tanks mr.SunnySkyguy
its useful that i use Pspice or ADS for books simulations?

Both are important but ADS (S) (Advanced Design Studio , IIRC) is a powerful design tool made by Agilent (former HP) for very complex designs such as RF, telecom, power systems, etc... Being very advanced also means very expensive. SS

It is good you get experience in both and compare to lab tests. Assumptions should be proven.

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