微波EDA网,见证研发工程师的成长! 2025婵犵數濮烽弫鍛婃叏閹绢喗鍎夊鑸靛姇缁狙囧箹鐎涙ɑ灏ù婊呭亾娣囧﹪濡堕崟顓炲闂佸憡鐟ョ换姗€寮婚敐澶婄闁挎繂妫Λ鍕磼閻愵剙鍔ゆ繛纭风節瀵鎮㈤崨濠勭Ф闂佸憡鎸嗛崨顔筋啅缂傚倸鍊烽懗鑸靛垔椤撱垹鍨傞柛顐f礀閽冪喖鏌曟繛鐐珕闁稿妫濋弻娑氫沪閸撗€妲堝銈呴獜閹凤拷04闂傚倸鍊搁崐鎼佸磹閹间礁纾归柟闂寸绾剧懓顪冪€n亝鎹i柣顓炴閵嗘帒顫濋敐鍛婵°倗濮烽崑鐐烘偋閻樻眹鈧線寮撮姀鈩冩珕闂佽姤锚椤︻喚绱旈弴銏♀拻濞达綀娅g敮娑㈡煕閺冣偓濞茬喖鐛弽顓ф晝闁靛牆娲g粭澶婎渻閵堝棛澧遍柛瀣仱閹繝濡烽埡鍌滃幗闂佸搫娲ㄩ崑娑㈠焵椤掆偓濠€閬嶅焵椤掍胶鍟查柟鍑ゆ嫹05闂傚倸鍊搁崐鎼佸磹閹间礁纾归柟闂寸绾剧懓顪冪€n亝鎹i柣顓炴閵嗘帒顫濋敐鍛婵°倗濮烽崑鐐烘偋閻樻眹鈧線寮撮姀鈩冩珖闂侀€炲苯澧扮紒顕嗙到铻栧ù锝堟椤旀洟姊洪悷鎵憼闁荤喆鍎甸幃姗€鍩¢崘顏嗭紲闂佺粯鐟㈤崑鎾绘煕閵娿儳鍩g€殿喖顭锋俊鎼佸煛閸屾矮绨介梻浣呵归張顒傜矙閹达富鏁傞柨鐕傛嫹 闂傚倸鍊搁崐鎼佸磹閹间礁纾归柟闂寸绾剧懓顪冪€n亝鎹i柣顓炴閵嗘帒顫濋敐鍛婵°倗濮烽崑鐐烘偋閻樻眹鈧線寮撮姀鐘栄囨煕鐏炲墽鐓瑙勬礀閳规垿顢欑紒鎾剁窗闂佸憡顭嗛崘锝嗙€洪悗骞垮劚濞茬娀宕戦幘鑸靛枂闁告洦鍓涢敍娑㈡⒑閸涘⿴娈曞┑鐐诧躬閹即顢氶埀顒€鐣烽崼鏇ㄦ晢濠㈣泛顑嗗▍灞解攽閻樺灚鏆╁┑顔芥尦楠炲﹥寰勯幇顒傦紱闂佽宕橀褔鏌ㄩ妶鍡曠箚闁靛牆瀚崗宀勬煕濞嗗繑顥㈡慨濠呮缁辨帒螣閼姐値妲梻浣呵归敃銈咃耿闁秴鐒垫い鎺嶈兌閸熸煡鏌熼崙銈嗗闂傚倸鍊搁崐鎼佸磹閹间礁纾归柟闂寸绾惧綊鏌i幋锝呅撻柛銈呭閺屻倝宕妷锔芥瘎婵炲濮甸懝楣冨煘閹寸偛绠犻梺绋匡攻椤ㄥ棝骞堥妸褉鍋撻棃娑欏暈鐎规洖寮堕幈銊ヮ渻鐠囪弓澹曢梻浣虹帛娓氭宕板☉姘变笉婵炴垶菤濡插牊绻涢崱妯哄妞ゅ繒鍠栧缁樻媴閼恒儳銆婇梺闈╃秶缁犳捇鐛箛娑欐櫢闁跨噦鎷�
首页 > 研发问答 > 微波和射频技术 > 电磁仿真讨论 > define a port

define a port

时间:03-23 整理:3721RD 点击:
I'm a freshman in RF design.I really wonder what's the difference of various ports.I have studied the help file,but still confused! Can you give some definite article about the mave port definition! TKS!

Don't worry, this question is asked repeatedly by people new to HFSS.

Here is the definition:

Assuming the structure is a simple two-ports microstrip line structure. So it has 3 layers, the top being the stripline, the middle being the substrate and the bottom being the ground plane. The port should be large enough to accommomdate field pattern of the TEM microstrip mode. Ansoft recommends that the port be 5 to 10 times as wide as the width of the trace and 5 times as high as the thickness of the substrate.

If the stripline is 5 mm wide, so let's make the port 30 mm wide. The dielectric is 1.6 mm thick, so let's make the port 8 mm high. Furthermore, one edge of the port (i.e. the bottom edge) should coincide with the ground plane. Of course, center the stripline along the width the port.

Hope this help!

Important information about waveports in HFSS!
Characteristics
-Wave ports solve actual field distributions for one or more propagating or non-propagating Modes
+For ?nodal? port excitation references, optional Terminals may also be defined, permitting a single Wave Port to extend across multiple coupled signal conductors. Terminal excitations are built from superposition of Mode excitations.
-Port boundaries take on the boundary characteristics of the faces which share its edges
+Edges touching perfect_e or finite conductivity faces, such as ground planes, take on that definition
+Edges touching perfect_h faces become perfect_h edges for the port computation
+Edges touching symmetry faces take on the definition of the appropriate perfect_e or perfect_h symmetry type
+Edges touching radiation faces, however, default to perfect_e conductive boundary conditions!
++The environment variable ZERO_ORDER_ABC_ON_PORT = 1 can set them to 377 ohms instead
-Wave ports solve for characteristic impedance and propagation constants at the port cross-section
-Impedance and Calibration line assignments are optional for further mode and output reference control
Limitations
-Wave ports must have only one surface normal exposed to the 3D field volume
+Assign to exterior faces (2D objects or faces of solids) of the modeled geometry, or cover one face with a perfect conductor cap object if internal
-Due to the port bounding edges, which may not match boundaries on field behavior in the full 3D volume around the transmission line past the port plane, proper port sizing and location is crucial
-Ports cannot touch master or slave boundaries.
-Due to sizing requirements, Wave ports may not fit between closely spaced yet still isolated transmission lines (e.g. moderately spaced parallel traces)
-Due to the cap object, internalized Wave ports may present undesirable perturbations for antenna or EMI field analysis within the modeled volume
-Wave ports must exist at a sufficient distance from discontinuities in the transmission line structure so that their 2D field solution is appropriate in the context of the 3D, steady-state fields
+The port extension is the distance between a Wave port and any alteration of the transmission line

Thank you very much.
You are so kind.
I think I need more knowledge about EM field.
Now I have to simulate a pallrall plane capacitance of two layers by HFSS to see the S-parameter.On each plane,I want to set a port.If I directly set the wave port on the surface of the two plane,Simulation process ended for material assign fault.When I set an air cube on the top layer of the capacitance,Simulation can proceed well but with a faulty result.I'm really confused how to deal it.

two parallel planes as capacitor, just create a lumped source at the location you want to excite this capacitor. I can not figure out what is the meaning of "directly set the wave port on the surface of the two planes".
Anyway, this structure is quite challange in HFSS, because of high Q factor, memory and time consuming.
About material assign fault, please check whether u properly setup all materials, metal Plane (pec or lossy metal), substrate (between planes), outer boundary (radiation boundary or PML). I suspect your port setting overlap with the outer radiation bounday, so you got such error prompted out.
Best Regards,



thank you very much for your reply.
Formerly. I select the surface of the upper plane of the capacitance with nothing on which at that time. then I use command: assign excitation> wave port.I do the same to the lower plane.I don't think I define material badly.The material of the two plane is copper,and the board between the layers is FR4 substrate with a relative permittive of 4.3. Generally speaking,if I assign a wave port on a surface of metal without cover other nonmetal surface,HFSS will always end with those words of faulty material assignment.
I will attempt to set the lumped source on the face and I will reply you of the result.Thank you again!!

I think you misunderstood the definition of wave port, you can get all the information about the port settting from the HFSS manual and related materials which you can download from this forum.
Some hints: put a small piece of metal connecting two planes at the location where you excite this capacitor (BUT the width of this rectangular metal should be very small, the smaller the better, otherwise it interference the field distribution of two planes), then assign this metal into lumped source, then u can proceed ur simulation.

Best Regards.

I think you misunderstood the definition of wave port, you can get all the information about the port settting from the HFSS manual and related materials which you can download from this forum.
Some hints: put a small piece of metal connecting two planes at the location where you excite this capacitor (BUT the width of this rectangular metal should be very small, the smaller the better, otherwise it interference the field distribution of two planes), then assign this metal into lumped source, then u can proceed ur simulation.

Best Regards.



failed
saying "the port1 is incorrectly set up,a gap source will be short circuited by conductors"
sigh!

post ur hfss project file, I check for u~
Best Regards.

I now post my .hfss file.
Please check it for me!
Thank you very much!
I have create the wave ports on the surface I want to set.But I can't simulate with the ports set like that.

HI, this structure is so messy for me. I tried to modified the file, since there are lots of errors in your model.
substrate overlap with metal via, the air gap between two layers of substrate(I dont know whether it is your design purpose). And also please use Boonlay different parts of metal (as my understanding it is a spiral inductor).
I added one wave port for you as the CPW feed(exactly it is not CPW, the width of two side groud plane is too small, and I dont know what is your exact excitation). About another port, I dont know the design purpose, is it a microstrip patch or something else, If it is a port, your only choice is the lumped port, you can not use the waveport. More details pls refer the HFSS port tutorial material.
Pls feel free to discuss. Best Regards.

I didnt carefully check all the objects inside your model, please carefully check whether there are some parts overlaping, if so, please unite/subtract them.
About the waveport, pls check my settings.
Best Regards.


Thank you very much!
I validated the circuit1.hfss.but nothing faulty happened in my computer.
Now I simulated the file the you have altered.
Program said error happened with hint:"Port refinement,process abc3d:The frequency specified for this problem is too low,The solution may not be converged.Check the frequency and the material properties for this problem."
If I alter the sweep range from 0.1G-2G to 20G-40G,the simulation process will proceed well and we can get a result.
In fact,I just do the work to see the difference of 3D simulation and Q3D extracted ideal circuit.In this circuit,it's a capacitance and inductance in series.Using the Q3D extracted circuit,I can see the resonance frequency is about 1G Hz.But as you see,now.In HFSS,I can hardly simulate the module in 1G Hz.
I really confused about the module I did.
sigh

I didnt carefully check the whole setup of ur model, that is why you get some errors.
Now I know that component is a spiral inductor, what is the physical output connection of the inductor?

I modified your model again, I use another capacitor connecting with spiral inductor, and use microstrip as the output port, lazy to build up cpw output port(if you want, you can build up it, same procedure with port 1).

here is the whole project file attached.
Best Regards,

my comments for your design:
1. impedance of the cpw feed, 50 Ohms? your design is quite far from 50Ohms
2. ur feeding is cpw feed or microstrip feed?
3. the rectangular plate inside the spiral inductor, any specific design? another capacitor? It is different with usual spiral inductor design.
I attach another PDF file came from AnSoft 2004 worldwild workshop, it is about spiral inductor design. wish it helps u.
anyway, I added another capacitor in your design for easy setting up the second waveport, I get the resonance, you can check it.
Best Regards,


Thanks
In fact,I didn't take them into consideration so far.
I just design a HFSS mode to see the defference between the 3D EM simulation and ideal circuit simulation.But when I finish the HFSS mode draft,I find I can't simulate it.So I post the quesition here.
I think I will take them into consideation after your help me set the ports correctly.
I'm a freshman in RF design,I will study step by step.Thank you for your help.
If any question,I will post it again.
Thank you very much,you are so kind.

my pleasure. Now the model is ok?



I think it's ok!
thinks a lot

best regards

上一篇:about Fractal antenna application
下一篇:最后一页

define port 相关文章:

栏目分类
热门文章

Copyright © 2017-2020 微波EDA网 版权所有

网站地图

Top